A small turnout for a big discussion. A "Learn & Fly" event was proposed, where the intent is to provide structure for the transfer of knowledge. Scroll down for more.
PRE-MEETING
David Norgren: Is Elsinore good to fly at this time of year?
Steve talks about typical seasonal conditions there and how it’s not a great place to fly at this time of year and in Santa Ana Conditions. The Site typicaly starts to work well starting in May and on when the flats start getting into the 90s. Typicaly is best Spring & Fall.
Check the 2 Holfuy stations up there
Site updates
Bill Helliwell is working on Laguna permit updates
Special Event (not Special Use) permit. Special Use gives us more ability to do maintenance to the site. Laguna hasn’t had a full time staff member and it’s easier for them to have us fill out Event forms.
Still looking for meeting locations: Any volunteers or venues?
A meeting room is fine, many restaurants/breweries have these for rent/free.
-Society Brewery in Kearny Mesa?
-James A volunteers to check it out
-third Thursday at 7:30 pm, 14-40 people show up
-community center in Scripps Ranch or Poway Community Center?
Weather Station Updates
-In Feb of next year, AT&T will drop 3G support
-Holfuy has a new modem board, being tested in Phoenix AZ
-a pilot (who?) in Bishop has set up LoRa weather stations, he may help guide us or help with programming
-T-mobile might have a later sunset date in June
-Anacapa anemometers?
-Robb Milley has built an APRS solar powered weather station, volunteered to help.
Robb M, Nik H, and Jeff Brown volunteered to work together to find and implement a solution for this.
When do we want to have our first quarter Fly In & awards?
Proposed month of March, once local pilots have returned from their annual sojourn south to fly the fairer weather.
PRE-MEETING
David Norgren: Is Elsinore good to fly at this time of year?
Steve talks about typical seasonal conditions there and how it’s not a great place to fly at this time of year and in Santa Ana Conditions. The Site typicaly starts to work well starting in May and on when the flats start getting into the 90s. Typicaly is best Spring & Fall.
Check the 2 Holfuy stations up there
Site updates
Bill Helliwell is working on Laguna permit updates
Special Event (not Special Use) permit. Special Use gives us more ability to do maintenance to the site. Laguna hasn’t had a full time staff member and it’s easier for them to have us fill out Event forms.
Still looking for meeting locations: Any volunteers or venues?
A meeting room is fine, many restaurants/breweries have these for rent/free.
-Society Brewery in Kearny Mesa?
-James A volunteers to check it out
-third Thursday at 7:30 pm, 14-40 people show up
-community center in Scripps Ranch or Poway Community Center?
Weather Station Updates
-In Feb of next year, AT&T will drop 3G support
-Holfuy has a new modem board, being tested in Phoenix AZ
-a pilot (who?) in Bishop has set up LoRa weather stations, he may help guide us or help with programming
-T-mobile might have a later sunset date in June
-Anacapa anemometers?
-Robb Milley has built an APRS solar powered weather station, volunteered to help.
Robb M, Nik H, and Jeff Brown volunteered to work together to find and implement a solution for this.
When do we want to have our first quarter Fly In & awards?
Proposed month of March, once local pilots have returned from their annual sojourn south to fly the fairer weather.
Learn & FLy
In broad terms, the SDHGPA*** will organize an event (or events) that pairs pilots of unequal experience and presents them with a task to fly. The senior pilot helps the junior pilot through the task, and the task is then scored at the end of the day. ***(However, the key think is that we would need a motivated individual to step up to be the Event Organizer)
Prize money and entry fees were discussed, and prize money was more or less roundly voted down, but entry fees seemed acceptable if retrieves, t-shirts, and food are provided. (however if having entry fees, would need to organize more and pull ACE event insurance.) (Prize money is problematic for getting Event Insurance unless pilots are at a Professional level)
Depending on the Scope of the event, we may need to pull Event Insurance for it.
Prize money and entry fees were discussed, and prize money was more or less roundly voted down, but entry fees seemed acceptable if retrieves, t-shirts, and food are provided. (however if having entry fees, would need to organize more and pull ACE event insurance.) (Prize money is problematic for getting Event Insurance unless pilots are at a Professional level)
Depending on the Scope of the event, we may need to pull Event Insurance for it.
PROPOSED SCHEDULES/ROTATIONS
Should this be a multi day event? Proposals included a "week before" thermal clinic, followed by the event the following weekend.
One issue brought up was that senior/junior pilots might not click, so having a rotating set of partners gives us all a chance to fly with more people and learn more. Perhaps 4 events a year allow for us to do this?
One issue brought up was that senior/junior pilots might not click, so having a rotating set of partners gives us all a chance to fly with more people and learn more. Perhaps 4 events a year allow for us to do this?
SUGGESTIONS/IDEAS
A good model is the Utah Point Rat series: http://www.uhgpga.org/point-rat-series-2021/
Be careful with incentives. The incentive should be to teach and learn. (again, may be problematic)
Tokens for mentees, assignable
Tokens for mentors, assignable
Pairing pilots from top & bottom, hours/skills-wise, i.e, the top hours with low hours pilot
Groups of 2, 3, or 4?
Beginner/medium/advanced
Should there be a handicap to goal
Optional tasks?
Spot landings, points for landings
Mentors (volunteered by Robb Milley)
Ron Davis
Peter Hill
How do we handle organic groups forming “day of”?
Most improved personal best in XYZ area (altitude distance duration)
Long standing events
Point Rat series: A set of waypoints out front assessed with a certain score and all waypoints have a safe LZ. Monthly tasks.
Be careful with incentives. The incentive should be to teach and learn. (again, may be problematic)
Tokens for mentees, assignable
Tokens for mentors, assignable
Pairing pilots from top & bottom, hours/skills-wise, i.e, the top hours with low hours pilot
Groups of 2, 3, or 4?
Beginner/medium/advanced
Should there be a handicap to goal
Optional tasks?
Spot landings, points for landings
Mentors (volunteered by Robb Milley)
Ron Davis
Peter Hill
How do we handle organic groups forming “day of”?
Most improved personal best in XYZ area (altitude distance duration)
Long standing events
Point Rat series: A set of waypoints out front assessed with a certain score and all waypoints have a safe LZ. Monthly tasks.
Meeting Agenda
1. Club Info & Updates:
•Site info Updates
• WX station updates
• Learn & Fly
• Looking for volunteers for leading/ participating in panel XC / thermal discussions starting in Jan.
• date for 1st quarter Fly-in? Jan or Feb / March
2. USHPA renewal cycles for chapter renewals will open Dec 1st or 5th
-start annual review process for risk assessment
-update site guides
-accident review
2. Topic: XC comp/ how to foster intermediate to advanced pilot skill ideas:
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